Pretty interesting how all of this stuff is interconnected.  And to think we only purchased it to cut the grass, we weren't going to the moon! Any recommendations for best price on one of these? By looking at the diagram, if all wires are removed from the mags you should have spark. Have you confirmed it's got a good ground?Â. Battery Charging System. So far I can't get power out of the spark advance unit. He got to the point of concluding that both coils may be the problem (a rare possibility but possible none-the-less) so I bought replacement coils - Oregon 33-518 - still nothing. Model No. and tried to fire it up with no luck. 01 - Spark Plug. I have never experimented with a Toro SAM but the operation theory remains the same. NEVER APPLY 12 VOLTS TO THE KILL WIRE. I have no way of testing the spark advancer and am not sure if the spark advancer is required to get a spark.  find out why the power goes through one minute and not the next. I thought the spark plugs went bad so I bought 2 to replace, but again no spark. It may not be the cause of our problem but it's not right . 53. Please help I have a Scag sw-48. As I was tinkering with the wiring (the previous owner was no electrician nor apprentice) this is a wiring nightmare! Free shipping. A. Checked points and they are at .020 no … Add Kohler PRO Series fuel treatment or equivalent to fuel tank. Check Spark Plug Every 200 hours of operation, remove the spark plug, check its condition, and reset the gap or replace with a new plug as necessary. I scanned the pages from my Kohler manual for the smart spark, see attached.  Sorry for the page orientation, the manual is a bound book and would only go one way into the scanner. while trying to figure out what wire went where and what wire did what, I guess I wiggled something loose, again no spark! Wish me luck!! If the mag modules have more than one push on terminal, they are likely SMART SPARK or work under variable timing. Since all 3 relays are the same I'll switch them to see if I can get a spark. After installing everything and letting the fuel pump cycle through to prime the system, the motor will turn over but will NOT start. I'm not sure if the physical length of the wires will prohibit interchanging them. Common solutions for: Kohler Small engine won’t start. With that thought,since no spark appears with or without the spark advancer, the unit may be faulty. Once again my fix-it guy has responded as follows: Think I got the fuse box back together cause the dash lights stay on now and I'm getting a steady clicking sound under the steering wheel. Bob, if you have removed any possibilty the mags are grounded (by removing the KILL wire at the mags). Run engine 2-3 minutes to get stabilized fuel into fuel system (failures due to untreated fuel are not warrantable). My fix-it buddy was able to report the following back to me: I got the fuse box electrical  to stop going on and off , then hooked everything up like it should be, no spark at either plug. p.s. The SAM senses the engine RPM and introduces a delay to the 2nd "FIRE" terminal on the mag(s). Recently picked up a NAMCO Express, with a 20hp Kohler Engine (I'm just about ready to slap my 24hp Honda in it). I would like to find out if that second wire has any thing to do with the  spark at the plug. Filled the tank and now hot there is no spark… Hey guys as said I have a kohler horizontal shaft 22hp engine that I can't get spark out of. Disconnect the spark plug lead(s). If troubles persist after checking the possible causes listed or you are unable to identify the problem, call KOHLER Engines Customer Service at 1-800-544-2444 or contact your local KOHLER dealer. (only way to really check continuity!) Thread starter Jimma; Start date Dec 11, 2012; Jimma. google GARDNER INC ENTIRE STUDY GUIDE KOHLER, the link should download a technicians study guide which outlines complete theory and testing of the multi terminal magneto smart spark system. There was no spark on the whole system. Manuals and User Guides for Kohler Command PRO ECV740. After my husband tried to adjust the coil / module, spark adv part # 24 584 63-s gap now he can get a weak spark from both of the spark plug wires. I have a 15 .5 hp kohler single cylinder, verticle engine model CV15S that does not have spark.----- The system seems to have only 2 parts the magnets that bolt onto the flywheel and the coil which goes dirrectly to the spark plug. If you don't see a spark on the tester, there may be a problem with the ignition coil of the flywheel to which it's attached. Grab an online service manual to confirm which system you are working with. My friend is away at a 93 birthday party for his aunt this weekend but I'll pass this along when he is back. The point is both mags are likely fired at the same time and if one mag is bad, the other should fire. It sat for a couple years. Have tried to tighten the plug clamps inside the boots? we fired it up in the barn after sitting all winter moved it about 300 yards and turned the deck on(pto switch) mowed about 10 feet and it died.. we thought the battery was bad and we put in a new battery. What's wrong with my mower ? Scag SW-48 With Kohler command 14 Has no spark. Replace spark plug(s) and In checking for spark, I have no spark at either of the new plug with both of them grounded to the block. I took it to 2 mechanics, they could not figure it out. 27HP kohler loses spark and then comes back for no reason. Thanks for the schematics.  They are a little different from the ones my fix-it friend and I were looking at because the ignition coils have two wires PLUS the spark plug wire. High Pressure … Hello - Back again after hearing from my "fix-it" buddy. Interesting. last fall I went through it and got it back to operating condition. When I installed the new coils I did the SEE test, which is spining the flywheel past the coils to see if a spark is produced. I called around and I was told that I needed to replace the Speed Advance Module. I'm assuming that if the SEE test does not produce a spark, the spark advance unit is required. :confusion-scratchheadblue:My only advice about electronics is obey the all knowing squirrel .You will be rewarded with a nice blue spark. of engine oil into cylinder(s). $8.95 shipping. Kohler ch22 no spark help! $18.99. Going to redo the wiring and see if I can figure this thing out, it seems like a simple fix. This will fry both mag coils almost instantaneously. I'm thinking its the rectifier. By Sign up for a new account in our community. I wasn't sure if the spark advance module was required to energize the coils so I hooked up the wire from the  spark advance to the coils (wide friction clip ). The Kohler SH265 engine, 6.5hp, on my Countyline 25-ton splitter will not start, it sat up for months. I'm assuming that if the SEE test does not produce a spark, the spark advance unit is required. It's easy! I put the spark plug tester on and attached the spark plug, and grounded it... the spark plug tester lit up (dim) and no spark at the spark plug. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Any help guys?  Winter is approaching and I really need to get my snowblower mounted. Considered best of breed by many in the small engine trade, Kohlers are among the most reliable and innovative engines on the market. Just waiting patiently for my fix-it guy to let me know if I have to buy a SAM unit. I have an inline spark tester and I have good spark when the engine is cold, I got the engine to run for 1/2 hour and ran out of gas. JavaScript is disabled. IF the kill relay is NOT grounding the mag kill termnal, Then the SAM calculates a delay appropriate to the current RPM of the engine and sends an output signal on the BROWN wires to the mags. Are the battery and regulator/rectifier good? On the 5xi series, if the seat switch opens while the PTO is engaged, it takes the power off of the "kill relay" coil (K1), and shuts down the engine.  If a jiggle of the seat switch fixes the problem, you may have a bad connection in the connector going to the seat switch, a bad wire in this part of the harness, or a seat switch that is going bad.  The seat switch closes the circuit when you sit on the seat.  During normal operation with the PTO engaged cutting grass, if I lean too far off the seat to grab a fallen branch, the motor will start to shut down.  Likewise if you get off the seat with the PTO dis-engaged, and don't set the parking brake, the engine will shut down.  Big Brother is watching you!! I have similar occasional problem like this with my 520xi with a CH20 engine.  The engine dies when I turn on the PTO.  I just jiggle the seat switch and it goes away.  Seems simplistic, but you never know. Although the spark plug tester lights up, it seems dim. Finally I got a bright light on the spark plug tester and grounded the sparkplug and got a white spark!! Then check at the ignition coil. Tried another coil and condenser still nothing. since both "FIRE" wires on the mags are color coded BROWN, they are most likely interchangeable. Kohler is currently unable to provide direct replacement components for the ASAM (analog spark advance module) 24 584 05-S, 2458405S and 24 584 09-S, 2458409S and It ran perfectly when I put it away for the season. As the engine RPM increases, the SAM will gradually cut back on the delay it introduces and effectively advances the spark to the mags. I ain't just talkin' to hear my head roar. Listen up. Remove spark plug(s) and pour about 1 oz. 2) Disconnect negative (-) battery cable from battery. If the engine produces no spark, it is not voltage related - this engine will have a Magneto ignition. and tried to fire it up with no luck. I also put on new spark plugs at that time ,nothing. Click the Search Button to See More Results. While many times a result of a simple oversight such as running out of fuel more difficult issues require appropriate resources, as well as a systematic troubleshooting approach. interestingly enough, the seat switch is ignored on the 98 models and is monitored on the 99+ year models. By the time I fiddle with ignition switch and safety switch to see if something is not making http://www.kohlerengines.com/manuals/landing.htm. So the other day, I was replaced the coupler, rebuilt the carb. Maybe they are not snapping on the plug tip. We really appreciate any ideas, advice, suggestions or direction. The intermittent  power at the main fuse causes all 3 relays to make a clicking sound. I checked to see if I had spark, used the spark plug tester and on one side there was spark and the other had none. The gap is not ajustable by the instructions to the .012 gap with a feeler gage. you have confirmed 12 volts available to the SAM module when it is cranking. I disconnected the kill switch wire and still no spark. Change oil while engine is still warm from operation. The mags are self contained units and only need to "see" the magnet on the flywheel to produce a spark. On the 5xi, in order for the starter to engage, the seat switch must be made, and the parking brake must be set so that it's interlock switch is made as well.  If neither of these are made, you will not get the starter to crank.  Just as a point of reference, the original post in this thread is a situation where the engine cranks, but no spark.  An open safety interlock switch prevents the starter from cranking, so I think we that the safety interlocks are all working on buckhornbob's tractor. More delay at low RPMS = easier starting, less delay / more advance at higher RPM = potentially more power. Checked for spark at the plugs - nothing. I then pulled the spark plug out and grounded it to see if I can see the color of the spark, but no spark either side. There is nothing more to the unit than the ignition coils (Gaps between coil and flywheel magnet should be.010) - HEAVY rust on the magnets can also cause a no spark … So the other day, I was replaced the coupler, rebuilt the carb. It may not be the cause of our problem but it's not right . After some scuffling I got the engine flywheel shrouding removed and exposed the 2 electronic ignition modules I disconnected the kill switch wire at the coil and still no joy. It would be very helpful to know if there is a way to test these coils when there are not mounted on the engine. This indicates an ignition coil … I got the manual and sent a copy of the electrical portion to my buddy. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. It sat for a couple years. My friend consulted with a friend of his who runs a small engine shop and who said these Kohler Command engines can be a real challenge but that my friend had done everything he would recommend to narrow in on the problem. It is the cover at the top of the engine. last fall I went through it and got it back to operating condition. Discussion in 'General Lawn Garden Tractor Forum' started by Bigboost, May 21, 2014. Something is happening there but am not sure if the one with the yellow wire is working properly. I'm going to take it off and find out why the power goes through one minute and not the next. Knowing where to locate needed resources, and applying sound troubleshoo… buckhornbob, November 9, 2013 in Wheel Horse Electrical, I recently bought a 1999 Wheel Horse 522xi - Model #73560, Serial # 8901636. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Help please I have a Scag sw-48. If the tractor is turning over but has no spark here are a few things to check: First remove the blower housing. have your friend disconnect the kill wire from both coils and try again. Spark Plugs; Spindles; ... Command Pro Twin Ch Cv17 25 Ch Cv620 750 ... Kohler Cv730 Parts Lookup by Model Search for Your Kohler Model Enter your Kohler model number below. My next thought was is there a short in the  spark advancer, since the kill switch wire also goes into the  unit as well. I double checked the gap at the mags and the connections that go to them. I agree the SAM module is highly suspect. Can anyone shed any light for us?  I am the computer guy and my friend is the mechanical guys so if you need clarification on what has been done, please ask. 2. Fuel Filter. Both coils and plugs. It has a 27hp vertical shaft Kohler command engine. Not sure if you and your friend have checked the kill relay on the tractor yet.  If you haven't, below will help you check the kill relay. It is a pull start, (turn the key on and pull the recoil rope). It is a pull start, (turn the key on and pull the recoil rope). Called my friend who is way more mechanical than me.  When he looked at it he said it would be best to get  it into his shop and he would try to work on it between other jobs. A 26 horsepower KOHLER Courage twin two 2 cylinder engine that WONT START won't RUN or backfires. Dec 11, 2012 #1 I have a vermeer stump grinder that seems very temporamental & can't figure it out. The circuit in the Toro demystication guide for the 1998 522xi shows the seat switch is not monitored for kill purposes. As I was placing the engine back into the frame, the oil temp sensor that is in the Oil Cooler hit the frame and the connector broke off (sensor is still in block). I left the kill switch wire (narrow friction clip) off just in case it was shorting out somewhere. Dec 11, 2012. I have tested all and I know that there is no spark is my problem. Regardless, Bob states he has a 99, and he has removed the KILL wires from the mags. May 21, 2014. I recently had a problem with no spark on my Kohler 25hp. Nothing. Small Engine Spark Plug. Let us know how you corrected the problem. However, the electronics don't monitor the seat switch for starting purposes. I then reinstalled the kill switch and tried it again. With that thought ,since no spark appears with or without the spark advancer, the unit may be faulty. Select Engine Series or Model Required Part. 0 bids. Recently picked up a NAMCO Express, with a 20hp Kohler Engine (I'm just about ready to slap my 24hp Honda in it). Those I have no experience with and will require more in depth investigation of their ignition module connections and functions. Genuine Kohler ASAM Ignition Module Conversion Kit For 22 hp or 23 hp engine spec # 66XXX, 67XXX, 76XXX 24 755 307-S - 24755307-S, Free Shipping, No Tax. If neither fire, the SAM appears the likely culprit. $13.00. progress, but only for 5 minutes. Not much will typically go wrong with a Kohler engine. fuse holder issues are not unusual on 5xx series. If the primary voltage is lower than 12.6 volts you get weak spark and or no spark. The SEAT switch will certainly become a player when the PTO switch is engaged. Attached is the schematic for the 522xi.  Near the bottom of page 2 is relay K1, the kill relay.  If the kill relay is not energized, the engine will crank but not start.  There are three relays mounted on the firewall, one of which is K1.  K1 has a yellow wire going to it, and on my tractor the only relay with a yellow wire is the one to the far left if looking from the drivers seat.  I would try tapping this relay with a screw driver handle and see if it starts.  If no start, I would check for power on the relay coil when trying to start.Â, If there is anything you want me to take reading from on my 522xi let me know, I'm pretty good with a VOM.Â. May 21, 2014 #1 . Took off the fly wheel and all the magnets were in place, next I checked the Stator to see if it was bad.. leads was not grounding out. So, I wanted to check the spark plug, as I did start is a few months back but it died and would not start again with multiple tries. 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